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	<title>Comments on: Poll: Should The Burka Be Banned In The U.S.?</title>
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		<title>By: Muttaqi</title>
		<link>http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/02/should-the-burka-be-banned-in-the-us/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>Muttaqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to bring attention to a news story which (inexplicably) never made it into the mainstream press.  On July 1st a pregnant Muslim women was stabbed 18 times and died in a German courtroom (in front of her 3-year old son) while the police shot her husband who was trying to save her. Her attacker was driven by an extreme hatred of her covering her head and was found guilty of slander after unleashing an unprintable barrage of insults on her last year in a park while she was playing with her son on a swing.  

Other than the Guardian in the UK, I have not found any other Western media outlet to even report on this shameful human tragedy (all around), which is irresponsible journalism in my opinion.  In fact, the simmering hatred being stirred in the West towards Islam is the result of a larger misinformation campaign undertaken by the corporate media outlets that we have come to rely on for &quot;objectivity&quot;.  We only see what they want us to see - and this cannot be debated.  

I post this as an example of the tragedies that ensue when we allow ourselves to be deceived by people who have other agendas.  We need to put aside any fear and prejudice we may have developed over the years of indoctrination since 2001 if we are to come together to really solve problems on a grand scale, which I believe is what most people truly want.  Inciting suspicion and mistrust will only lead to greater evils.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt

I assure you Velvet Hammer, you have nothing to fear from women covering their faces in public.  I encourage you to sit with local Muslims in your community and put your concerns on the table.  They would be more than happy to sit with you and try to work out the issue peacefully and for the betterment of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=65d84541656315dcf4da9d9720718796&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />I would also like to bring attention to a news story which (inexplicably) never made it into the mainstream press.  On July 1st a pregnant Muslim women was stabbed 18 times and died in a German courtroom (in front of her 3-year old son) while the police shot her husband who was trying to save her. Her attacker was driven by an extreme hatred of her covering her head and was found guilty of slander after unleashing an unprintable barrage of insults on her last year in a park while she was playing with her son on a swing.  </p>
<p>Other than the Guardian in the UK, I have not found any other Western media outlet to even report on this shameful human tragedy (all around), which is irresponsible journalism in my opinion.  In fact, the simmering hatred being stirred in the West towards Islam is the result of a larger misinformation campaign undertaken by the corporate media outlets that we have come to rely on for &#8220;objectivity&#8221;.  We only see what they want us to see &#8211; and this cannot be debated.  </p>
<p>I post this as an example of the tragedies that ensue when we allow ourselves to be deceived by people who have other agendas.  We need to put aside any fear and prejudice we may have developed over the years of indoctrination since 2001 if we are to come together to really solve problems on a grand scale, which I believe is what most people truly want.  Inciting suspicion and mistrust will only lead to greater evils.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt</a></p>
<p>I assure you Velvet Hammer, you have nothing to fear from women covering their faces in public.  I encourage you to sit with local Muslims in your community and put your concerns on the table.  They would be more than happy to sit with you and try to work out the issue peacefully and for the betterment of all.
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		<title>By: Muttaqi</title>
		<link>http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/02/should-the-burka-be-banned-in-the-us/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>Muttaqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: &quot;This way of settling differences is not just.&quot; This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation&#039;s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of people normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing, except a tragic death wish, to prevent us from reordering our priorities, so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. 

-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. &quot;A Time to Break Silence&quot;, April 4, 1967

May the All Merciful Creator guide us all on the straight path and help us to love and pray for one another with the fullest sincerity of heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=65d84541656315dcf4da9d9720718796&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: &#8220;This way of settling differences is not just.&#8221; This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation&#8217;s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of people normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.</p>
<p>America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing, except a tragic death wish, to prevent us from reordering our priorities, so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. </p>
<p>-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. &#8220;A Time to Break Silence&#8221;, April 4, 1967</p>
<p>May the All Merciful Creator guide us all on the straight path and help us to love and pray for one another with the fullest sincerity of heart.
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		<title>By: velvethammer</title>
		<link>http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/02/should-the-burka-be-banned-in-the-us/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>velvethammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are the one who brought up the lame r*pe argument. My argument against burkas in the US is that they are a SECURITY THREAT. If muslim women want to hide their faces they should live where it’s an accepted part of life. In the west hidden faces cause alarm. And most of all it is a security risk. 
&lt;b&gt;If my face shows on camera then by God theirs should TOO.
&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/07/12/taliban-jihadis-hide-among-civilians-dress-like-women-to-elude-marines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Taliban jihadis hide among civilians, dress like women, to elude Marines&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/02/2008/07/18/unveiling-the-burka-as-a-security-threat/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unveiling The Burka As A Security Threat
&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=4c47b32540372a97b61f6087b36ea069&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />You are the one who brought up the lame r*pe argument. My argument against burkas in the US is that they are a SECURITY THREAT. If muslim women want to hide their faces they should live where it’s an accepted part of life. In the west hidden faces cause alarm. And most of all it is a security risk.<br />
<b>If my face shows on camera then by God theirs should TOO.<br />
</b><br />
<a href="http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/07/12/taliban-jihadis-hide-among-civilians-dress-like-women-to-elude-marines/" rel="nofollow">Taliban jihadis hide among civilians, dress like women, to elude Marines</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/02/2008/07/18/unveiling-the-burka-as-a-security-threat/" rel="nofollow">Unveiling The Burka As A Security Threat<br />
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		<title>By: Muttaqi</title>
		<link>http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/07/02/should-the-burka-be-banned-in-the-us/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Muttaqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VelvetHammer,

You never addressed the problem that WE have here in America.  I don&#039;t know how Sweden got in the debate and you never answered the original question: If you have two lands, in one 100,000 women are brutalized in the most horrific fashion known to man and another there less than a fraction of 1% of that number - which one is oppressing and unjust.  Here in America one in 200 women will be forcibly r*ped and one in 4 will be physically assaulted.  So let&#039;s look at the issue if we are truly concerned about security and women&#039;s rights.

The issue is that once society begins to abandon respect for itself and for others, a downward spiral ensues.  Today you will find (if you are honest with yourself) that the acceptable style of dress for young girls has reached appalling depths.  They are being subjugated by a mass media that is run on illicit sexual inuendos and they are going astray due to a lack of moral guidance from their elders.  

As for this blog, banning burqas is not going to make this society any safer because it is not the root of the issue.  The root is that we as AMERICAN males consume an average of $500 billion dollars on p*rnography (not sure if that word will pass the sensor here) and another $500 billion on alcohol.  To top it all off, we spend at least another $750 billion on defense because we are afraid that someone is going to come and steal our freedoms.

And as for the snide comments about men being unable to control themselves, I ask you this.  Why are the Marines absolutely detested in Okinawa, So. Korea, and yes, Iraq.  Look no further than fine examples like James Barker and the like.  To refresh your memory, he is the guy that admitted to r*ping, killing, and burning a 14 year old girl - along with the rest of her family.  He will be eligible for parole in about 10 years or so - and there VH is your true American Justice.  In fact, on a blog that is supposed to represent freedom of speech and welcomes debate, I will be rather shocked to see you even post this response on your site - although it is again completely (and sadly) based on the facts.</description>
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<p>You never addressed the problem that WE have here in America.  I don&#8217;t know how Sweden got in the debate and you never answered the original question: If you have two lands, in one 100,000 women are brutalized in the most horrific fashion known to man and another there less than a fraction of 1% of that number &#8211; which one is oppressing and unjust.  Here in America one in 200 women will be forcibly r*ped and one in 4 will be physically assaulted.  So let&#8217;s look at the issue if we are truly concerned about security and women&#8217;s rights.</p>
<p>The issue is that once society begins to abandon respect for itself and for others, a downward spiral ensues.  Today you will find (if you are honest with yourself) that the acceptable style of dress for young girls has reached appalling depths.  They are being subjugated by a mass media that is run on illicit sexual inuendos and they are going astray due to a lack of moral guidance from their elders.  </p>
<p>As for this blog, banning burqas is not going to make this society any safer because it is not the root of the issue.  The root is that we as AMERICAN males consume an average of $500 billion dollars on p*rnography (not sure if that word will pass the sensor here) and another $500 billion on alcohol.  To top it all off, we spend at least another $750 billion on defense because we are afraid that someone is going to come and steal our freedoms.</p>
<p>And as for the snide comments about men being unable to control themselves, I ask you this.  Why are the Marines absolutely detested in Okinawa, So. Korea, and yes, Iraq.  Look no further than fine examples like James Barker and the like.  To refresh your memory, he is the guy that admitted to r*ping, killing, and burning a 14 year old girl &#8211; along with the rest of her family.  He will be eligible for parole in about 10 years or so &#8211; and there VH is your true American Justice.  In fact, on a blog that is supposed to represent freedom of speech and welcomes debate, I will be rather shocked to see you even post this response on your site &#8211; although it is again completely (and sadly) based on the facts.
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